?00:00:07:09 00:00:11:15 Pessoal, vamos retomar
as nossas atividades.
00:00:11:22 00:00:15:00 Sempre contamos
com a compreensão de todo mundo
00:00:15:07 00:00:19:11 para entender, quando voltamos
com os expositores,
00:00:19:12 00:00:22:14 por conta do horário
e da programação,
00:00:22:22 00:00:27:10 sempre conversamos com eles
para no próximo intervalo voltarem.
00:00:27:11 00:00:29:02 Podem ficar tranquilos
00:00:29:03 00:00:35:06 que ninguém vai deixar
de tirar uma foto, pegar autógrafo,
00:00:35:07 00:00:38:14 eles estarão à disposição
nos próximos intervalos.
00:00:38:15 00:00:40:08 Muito obrigado.
00:00:40:09 00:00:45:17 Vamos passar a palavra pro Haroldo,
para continuarmos o painel.
00:00:52:04 00:00:54:04 Eu vou apresentar o Haroldo.
00:00:56:03 00:00:59:11 Esse aqui é o Haroldo Dutra Dias.
00:00:59:11 00:01:03:04 Para quem não conhece
ele é juiz de Direito,
00:01:03:11 00:01:05:23 mas para nós aqui
ele é nosso maninho.
00:01:07:23 00:01:12:11 E ele vai dar continuidade
ao tema que nós já começamos.
00:01:18:16 00:01:21:18 Enquanto estão
organizando a filmagem,
00:01:22:01 00:01:27:03 eu gostaria de fazer
uma indicação e a Aíla também,
00:01:27:09 00:01:35:13 que, quando o nosso amigo Enéas
veio para participar do evento,
00:01:35:13 00:01:40:02 e preciso contar uma história aqui,
de como a gente se conheceu.
00:01:42:14 00:01:46:06 O trabalho do Enéas como pastor
é bastante inédito
00:01:46:07 00:01:49:03 porque ele não tem
uma igreja formal.
00:01:50:18 00:01:56:17 O trabalho dele é feito
em comunidades carentes
00:01:56:23 00:02:03:04 e é aquele trabalho inspirado
em Paulo, que é feito nas casas.
00:02:03:10 00:02:07:02 Então faz-se o estudo,
faz a comunidade,
00:02:07:08 00:02:11:13 eles arrecadam dinheiro
e com esse dinheiro
00:02:11:21 00:02:14:23 compram uma cesta básica
para quem tá faltando,
00:02:15:00 00:02:17:00 um gás que faltou...
00:02:17:05 00:02:20:07 É um trabalho bem diferente.
00:02:20:15 00:02:23:23 É aquele pastor
que fede a ovelha.
00:02:26:05 00:02:27:22 Né? Não é isso?
00:02:27:23 00:02:33:05 Pastor que está lá
participando das lutas mesmo.
00:02:33:06 00:02:38:13 E uma outra faceta
da atividade do Enéas,
00:02:38:13 00:02:41:23 e que foi onde
eu o conheci,
00:02:42:07 00:02:47:14 é que o Enéas, desde que
me conheço por gente, há 20 anos,
00:02:47:15 00:02:53:00 trabalha com livraria de livros
especializados em estudo bíblico.
00:02:53:06 00:02:55:08 Então eu conheci o Enéas
00:02:55:08 00:02:59:17 na época em que ele era
vendedor em uma livraria
00:03:00:00 00:03:03:01 e já tinha todo um contato,
00:03:03:02 00:03:06:10 então você chegava
e ele indicava um livro...
00:03:06:10 00:03:08:11 “O que você está procurando?”
00:03:09:14 00:03:17:11 E hoje o Enéas tem uma livraria,
é a livraria dele.
00:03:18:05 00:03:21:21 E ontem a Aíla falou lá,
00:03:22:11 00:03:24:08 e não preciso
esconder para ninguém,
00:03:24:11 00:03:27:13 é a minha livraria de preferência
porque você chega lá...
00:03:27:14 00:03:31:06 As pessoas chegam lá e falam:
“Olha, eu sou espírita...”
00:03:31:11 00:03:34:06 “Haroldo te indicou um livro?
O que ele indicou?”
00:03:34:07 00:03:38:18 A pessoa já senta, não tem
vergonha de dizer que é espírita.
00:03:38:19 00:03:41:07 Ninguém que vai lá
tem vergonha...
00:03:41:15 00:03:44:16 Vai católico,
evangélico, vai espírita...
00:03:44:17 00:03:48:09 Chega lá e senta no sofá
e ele indica os livros...
00:03:48:16 00:03:51:22 É uma livraria muito distinta
00:03:51:23 00:03:57:03 porque ela não tem
aquela literatura frágil,
00:03:57:09 00:03:59:21 é uma literatura
mais consistente,
00:04:00:02 00:04:01:18 e tudo que é lançamento,
00:04:01:19 00:04:05:00 tudo que as editoras
estão pretendendo traduzir,
00:04:05:02 00:04:07:00 o Enéas sempre está sabendo,
00:04:07:01 00:04:09:16 elas sempre entram
em contato com ele.
00:04:09:19 00:04:15:02 Então também é um ponto
de encontro teológico em BH,
00:04:15:03 00:04:17:10 a Livraria Alexandria.
00:04:17:16 00:04:21:08 É um ponto de encontro
mesmo.
00:04:21:14 00:04:24:17 Lá, se você quer
encontrar um pastor,
00:04:24:18 00:04:26:17 um padre, um professor,
00:04:26:23 00:04:30:21 alguém que está interessado
em aprender sobre Bíblia,
00:04:31:03 00:04:33:23 acaba sendo um ponto
de encontro porque, primeiro,
00:04:34:00 00:04:36:00 você vai encontrar o livro lá,
00:04:36:05 00:04:38:02 tem jornadas como teve ontem,
00:04:38:03 00:04:41:07 a Aíla falou sobre o livro
dela, de Apocalipse,
00:04:41:08 00:04:44:04 e foi um público diversificado...
00:04:44:10 00:04:47:18 E é espetacular.
00:04:48:02 00:04:55:02 Então eu queria indicar um livro
do James Dunn, por duas razões.
00:04:55:09 00:04:59:09 Pra quem não sabe, o James Dunn
faz parte de uma corrente,
00:04:59:10 00:05:01:01 pra mim muito especial,
00:05:01:07 00:05:04:16 que é a da chamada
“Novas Perspectivas em Paulo”,
00:05:04:23 00:05:08:01 que é uma corrente
que deu uma virada
00:05:08:02 00:05:11:17 na interpretação das Cartas Paulinas,
da obra de Paulo.
00:05:12:00 00:05:14:20 Junto com James Dunn,
temos Nicolas Thomas Wright,
00:05:15:02 00:05:17:22 antes deles o Sanders,
00:05:19:21 00:05:22:22 que são autores
que realmente romperam
00:05:22:23 00:05:26:00 com aquela leitura tradicional
do Protestantismo,
00:05:26:01 00:05:27:18 sobre as Cartas de Paulo,
00:05:28:01 00:05:30:22 e começaram a fazer
uma ponte verdadeira
00:05:30:23 00:05:33:04 entre Judaísmo e Cristianismo.
00:05:33:09 00:05:36:11 Então são autores especiais.
00:05:36:12 00:05:38:18 E essa obra, o Dunn tem uma obra
00:05:38:19 00:05:41:20 sobre Paulo,
Teologia do Apóstolo Paulo,
00:05:41:20 00:05:45:19 mas tem essa obra aqui
que a gente considera um tesouro,
00:05:46:02 00:05:49:04 que é "Unidade e Diversidade
do Novo Testamento".
00:05:49:11 00:05:54:19 Essa obra acabou, ela está esgotada,
não existe mais.
00:05:55:01 00:05:59:07 Os últimos 400 volumes
estão nas mãos do Enéas.
00:05:59:14 00:06:03:05 Quando ele soube disso,
ele foi lá
00:06:03:06 00:06:07:18 e comprou o estoque
da editora, comprou tudo,
00:06:07:18 00:06:10:00 e levou para a livraria.
00:06:10:01 00:06:12:02 Então, estou indicando aqui,
00:06:12:03 00:06:16:21 porque "Unidade e Diversidade"
é realmente uma obra fundamental,
00:06:17:01 00:06:20:17 ela traz reflexões
sobre a diversidade
00:06:20:18 00:06:23:20 dos escritos do Novo Testamento.
00:06:24:02 00:06:28:01 Você não pode ler Ato dos Apóstolos
como lê o Evangelho de João,
00:06:28:07 00:06:31:17 não pode ler uma Carta de Paulo
como lê o Evangelho de Mateus.
00:06:31:18 00:06:36:11 Mas, ao mesmo tempo, a unidade
da mensagem e vários outros temas...
00:06:36:18 00:06:39:07 A ponte com as questões judaicas...
00:06:39:13 00:06:40:17 É uma obra bastante especial.
00:06:40:23 00:06:46:07 Quem puder, aproveite.
00:06:46:08 00:06:47:17 Eu vou passar pra Aíla
00:06:47:18 00:06:50:22 porque ela quer divulgar
uma obra que nos comoveu.
00:06:51:03 00:06:57:01 A obra que eu quero indicar
chama-se Espiritualidade na Prática.
00:06:57:08 00:07:01:23 E é uma abordagem minuciosa
00:07:02:00 00:07:08:08 que nos comove
sobre os sentimentos
00:07:08:13 00:07:16:10 e as atitudes
de Jacó, Esaú, Rebeca,
00:07:16:11 00:07:20:17 Isaac, Lia, Raquel
00:07:20:23 00:07:25:11 e todos esses conflitos da família,
00:07:25:18 00:07:27:08 terminando com José,
00:07:27:09 00:07:30:13 que acabou sendo
o preferido de Jacó.
00:07:30:20 00:07:33:02 É muito interessante que Jacó
00:07:33:03 00:07:35:23 reclamava que o pai
preferia Esaú,
00:07:36:03 00:07:38:03 mas ele preferiu
também um filho.
00:07:38:09 00:07:41:15 Ajuda muito a gente
a entender
00:07:41:16 00:07:45:10 esses relacionamentos
familiares,
00:07:45:11 00:07:51:02 e como essa história é a base
de todo o Antigo Testamento,
00:07:51:08 00:07:53:03 dá pra gente entender
00:07:53:04 00:07:57:07 toda a movimentação
que é o Antigo Testamento
00:07:57:14 00:08:02:22 como uma história familiar
desses descendentes de Abraão,
00:08:03:05 00:08:09:03 e que essa história vai se espelhar
em nível nacional.
00:08:09:09 00:08:16:04 Ainda hoje a história de Esaú e Jacó,
que lutavam no ventre materno,
00:08:16:10 00:08:22:01 é a história daquele conflito
Israel x Palestina.
00:08:22:02 00:08:25:04 Então é pra gente ver que,
às vezes,
00:08:25:10 00:08:31:22 a gente tem um problema
no nível individual entre pessoas
00:08:31:23 00:08:37:22 e depois isso se torna um problema
que dura séculos, milênios...
00:08:38:03 00:08:40:23 E se torna um problema
entre os povos.
00:08:41:04 00:08:46:19 Esse livro é de uma riqueza,
linguagem fácil
00:08:47:02 00:08:50:11 e por uma pessoa que, realmente,
00:08:50:12 00:08:53:02 tem uma sensibilidade
muito grande
00:08:53:03 00:08:57:00 no estudo desses personagens
que formam essa família
00:08:57:08 00:09:00:17 dos primeiros descendentes
de Abraão.
00:09:00:21 00:09:04:11 E quando a gente
entende bem essa história,
00:09:04:12 00:09:06:21 que o Enéas tratou um pouco,
00:09:07:02 00:09:10:07 ele se encontrou
lendo essa história,
00:09:10:08 00:09:13:08 por isso que ele
falou de si mesmo,
00:09:13:09 00:09:14:14 foi muito bom.
00:09:14:17 00:09:16:09 Eu também me encontrei,
00:09:16:16 00:09:20:02 encontrei a minha história
dentro do que ele falava.
00:09:20:08 00:09:23:11 Vi que o texto bíblico
também falava de mim.
00:09:23:17 00:09:28:12 Eu recomendo e acho que foi um livro
que me fez chorar muito,
00:09:28:19 00:09:31:01 que me deu um choro bom,
00:09:31:08 00:09:36:10 que leva a gente a conversar
com os irmãos da gente,
00:09:36:11 00:09:38:21 leva a gente a conversar
com mãe e pai.
00:09:38:22 00:09:44:06 Também no âmbito pastoral
me ajudou muito,
00:09:44:09 00:09:46:00 porque não tenho filhos,
00:09:46:01 00:09:50:19 mas a gente acaba recebendo
filhos que os outros têm.
00:09:51:01 00:09:55:07 Então me ajuda também
a conversar com as pessoas
00:09:55:13 00:10:00:21 que vêm procurar uma palavra
de orientação com a gente.
00:10:01:04 00:10:03:16 Chama-se
“Espiritualidade na Prática”
00:10:04:00 00:10:07:02 e está lá no estande
pra vender.
00:10:07:03 00:10:09:09 Você não vai se arrepender
de ler esse livro,
00:10:09:15 00:10:11:00 ele é realmente muito bom.
00:10:11:01 00:10:14:04 É um livro que todo o semestre
eu passo para os meus alunos.
00:10:14:09 00:10:18:08 Eles têm que ler e falar comigo,
pessoalmente, sobre o livro,
00:10:18:15 00:10:21:03 e aí tem muito choro,
todas as vezes.
00:10:21:11 00:10:26:19 Porque eles acabam vendo
que não é conhecimento intelectual,
00:10:27:08 00:10:29:00 mas mexe com as emoções.
00:10:31:20 00:10:36:15 Os livros estão sendo
mostrados no painel.
00:10:36:16 00:10:42:20 In the first place, the doctor has
forbidden me to give lectures.
00:10:43:03 00:10:48:11 So I won't give a lecture today,
because I can't.
00:10:49:19 00:10:57:12 I've come here for a chat,
unlike everything I've ever done.
00:10:57:13 00:10:59:18 At least I would like it
to be so.
00:10:59:19 00:11:02:16 And why is that?
00:11:02:17 00:11:11:09 Because I believe that talking about
the things I'll talk about today...
00:11:11:13 00:11:16:10 These are words
that could only be said
00:11:16:11 00:11:23:17 if they had the color
of experience, of life.
00:11:24:06 00:11:27:08 Though I already knew that
intellectually,
00:11:27:09 00:11:30:11 because I learned
from Alcíone,
00:11:31:00 00:11:34:16 in the book "Renunciation",
that the message of the Gospel
00:11:34:17 00:11:40:08 needs to be known
meditated on, felt and lived,
00:11:40:13 00:11:44:21 only now,
after having gone through,
00:11:44:22 00:11:49:01 after going through
this experience,
00:11:49:06 00:11:53:10 my spiritual perception
has opened up
00:11:53:10 00:11:56:11 to aspects of the Gospel
00:11:56:12 00:11:59:19 that my intellect
was not able to reach.
00:12:03:15 00:12:08:10 If you have come here today
thinking your intelligence
00:12:08:17 00:12:13:06 is capable of knowing certain things,
you're gonna be disappointed.
00:12:14:01 00:12:17:08 There are certain aspects
of the Gospel
00:12:17:09 00:12:21:08 that human intelligence
is not able to reach.
00:12:23:21 00:12:27:05 And the only access
you have to that fountain
00:12:27:06 00:12:29:07 is through your heart.
00:12:30:22 00:12:34:00 But I haven't come here
for a sappy talk,
00:12:34:14 00:12:37:16 I've come to talk
of very deep feelings,
00:12:37:17 00:12:39:23 of very deep experiences.
00:12:40:05 00:12:45:13 And of a hermeneutics,
an interpretation of the Gospel,
00:12:45:21 00:12:48:17 that goes much beyond
sentimentality.
00:12:48:23 00:12:51:05 It has to do
with genuine feeling,
00:12:51:11 00:12:55:03 with very strong
spiritual experiences.
00:12:58:06 00:13:05:00 To being with, I'll read a passage
from the preface of "Renunciation",
00:13:05:09 00:13:08:05 since we're talking
of Alcíone,
00:13:08:06 00:13:12:12 because Emmanuel
says this in the preface:
00:13:12:13 00:13:16:05 “This is a book
about feelings,
00:13:18:23 00:13:23:03 for those who appreciate
human experience
00:13:23:04 00:13:25:05 through the heart.
00:13:27:10 00:13:30:20 It will speak in particular
to all those
00:13:30:21 00:13:35:01 who find themselves stuck,
00:13:36:05 00:13:40:05 condemned, forgotten
00:13:40:06 00:13:47:22 from that love that covers
the multitude of sins,
00:13:47:23 00:13:51:15 according to the teachings
of Jesus.
00:13:52:04 00:13:56:19 Most apprentices
of the Gospel
00:13:56:20 00:14:01:11 let themselves be carried away,
in an absolute sense,
00:14:03:03 00:14:05:23 by ideas of grueling expiation...
00:14:08:17 00:14:10:17 grueling expiation...
00:14:11:00 00:14:14:02 of an eye for an eye
00:14:14:09 00:14:17:05 or by the concern
with rewards
00:14:17:11 00:14:19:18 on Earth or in Heaven.
00:14:20:02 00:14:24:21 Here, criminal reincarnations
are spoken of;
00:14:25:11 00:14:29:03 there, nothing but bitter tears
are expected;
00:14:29:09 00:14:37:00 beyond, there are hearts willing
for inactivity and lazy rest.
00:14:37:07 00:14:44:14 Hope and responsibility
seem to be forgotten treasures.
00:14:45:04 00:14:48:14 It's reasonable
that we cannot deny
00:14:48:15 00:14:52:12 the incorruptible
character of Justice,
00:14:53:01 00:14:58:23 but we must not forget
optimism, trust,
00:14:59:06 00:15:04:08 dedication and all the energies
00:15:04:08 00:15:09:23 that love seeks to awaken
00:15:10:07 00:15:13:01 in the core of consciences."
00:15:14:18 00:15:18:10 "Energies that love
seeks to awaken
00:15:18:16 00:15:21:05 in the core of consciences."
00:15:22:06 00:15:25:05 I hope that love
00:15:25:06 00:15:28:22 can make that miracle
in all of us today.
00:15:28:22 00:15:30:20 The passage I selected
00:15:30:21 00:15:33:22 as a starting point
for reflection
00:15:33:23 00:15:36:17 is in chapter 11
of the Gospel of John,
00:15:36:18 00:15:39:12 "The Resurrection
of Lazarus".
00:15:41:13 00:15:47:02 “He found himself ill,
a certain Lazarus, from Bethany,
00:15:47:03 00:15:51:17 the village of Mary
and her sister Martha.
00:15:52:06 00:15:57:01 Mary, whose brother Lazarus
was ill,
00:15:57:08 00:16:01:20 was the same one that had anointed
the Lord with ointment,
00:16:02:03 00:16:06:09 and dried His feet
with her hair.
00:16:06:15 00:16:11:03 Therefore, the sisters
were sent unto Him, saying:
00:16:11:11 00:16:17:09 'Lord, he whom you love
is ill.'
00:16:22:05 00:16:24:15 Upon hearing this,
Jesus said:
00:16:24:16 00:16:30:20 'This illness is not for death,
but for the glory of God,
00:16:31:03 00:16:35:15 so that the Son of God
is glorified through it.'"
00:16:36:05 00:16:39:07 And then He begins
to talk about light,
00:16:39:13 00:16:42:22 He is the light of the world,
resurrection...
00:16:45:05 00:16:48:01 “Jesus had not yet
entered the village,
00:16:48:08 00:16:52:12 but was on the spot
where Martha had found Him.
00:16:52:13 00:16:56:04 The Jews were with Mary,
at home, and comforted her.
00:16:56:05 00:16:59:05 Seeing that Mary
rose in a rush and left,
00:16:59:06 00:17:03:11 they followed her,
supposing she had gone
00:17:03:12 00:17:06:22 to the tomb
in order to cry there.
00:17:08:21 00:17:12:13 So, when Mary got
to where Jesus was,
00:17:12:19 00:17:16:18 upon seeing Him,
she fell to His feet, saying:
00:17:17:00 00:17:21:06 'Lord, if you had been here,
my brother wouldn't have died.'
00:17:22:07 00:17:25:01 So, when Jesus saw her crying,
00:17:25:09 00:17:30:17 and also all the Jews
that came with her,
00:17:31:00 00:17:38:21 He became agitated in spirit,
disturbed, and said:
00:17:39:04 00:17:40:20 'Where have you put him?'
00:17:42:04 00:17:45:16 They tell Him:
'Lord, come and see.'
00:17:45:22 00:17:48:18 Jesus cried."
00:17:53:04 00:17:55:17 This is where
we'll start from,
00:17:57:17 00:18:03:01 already asking
that you privilege more
00:18:03:07 00:18:05:20 your heart
than your intelligence
00:18:06:02 00:18:08:08 to understand
the passage.
00:18:12:01 00:18:17:16 After the experience of the knee,
of being paralytic for a few days,
00:18:19:14 00:18:21:20 I understood
Paul's sentence,
00:18:26:00 00:18:28:15 that in weakness...
00:18:29:10 00:18:32:06 "In weakness, I am strong."
00:18:34:10 00:18:36:10 Why?
00:18:38:01 00:18:42:23 Because... people
with a temper like mine,
00:18:43:00 00:18:48:15 and, deep down, all the incarnates,
we want to have control.
00:18:50:06 00:18:52:06 Control.
00:18:52:20 00:18:55:03 And it's good to have
a dose of it.
00:18:55:18 00:19:00:01 Control over your time,
control over your schedule,
00:19:00:15 00:19:04:21 of what you will do,
of what you will not do,
00:19:04:23 00:19:08:22 what you'll say yes to,
what you'll say no to.
00:19:09:02 00:19:12:12 Because if you don't have
a minimum
00:19:12:15 00:19:14:05 of control over your life,
00:19:14:06 00:19:17:01 it becomes
something senseless,
00:19:17:02 00:19:21:21 it becomes chaos,
indiscipline.
00:19:22:00 00:19:26:05 And where there's indiscipline,
where there's indifference,
00:19:26:05 00:19:29:01 where there's waste
of resources,
00:19:30:08 00:19:35:10 including time,
there will be shortage.
00:19:36:13 00:19:40:08 Because the divine work,
the divine creation
00:19:40:15 00:19:43:18 was made so that
there'll always be enough,
00:19:43:19 00:19:45:05 never waste.
00:19:48:12 00:19:50:04 Always balance.
00:19:51:00 00:19:53:13 Where there's balance,
there's health.
00:19:54:04 00:19:57:12 And where there's unbalance,
there's disease,
00:19:57:13 00:20:00:23 there's scarcity,
there's shortage, there's misery.
00:20:03:03 00:20:05:22 Don't get me wrong,
this is not a defense
00:20:05:23 00:20:11:22 of indiscipline, indifference,
unruliness... No.
00:20:13:06 00:20:17:05 But if everything is balance,
the other side of the scale
00:20:17:06 00:20:21:05 is the person
that intends to control life.
00:20:22:05 00:20:24:11 And when you
begin to control
00:20:24:13 00:20:27:00 aspects of life
excessively,
00:20:27:01 00:20:31:00 like Enéas pondered
and Aíla emphasized,
00:20:31:07 00:20:36:02 you start to be invaded
by a feeling
00:20:36:09 00:20:39:11 that you can control
people,
00:20:40:20 00:20:45:22 that you can control
their wish
00:20:49:21 00:20:53:13 and that they will follow you
unconditionally.
00:20:54:23 00:21:01:03 And that all it takes is persuasion
to keep people by your side,
00:21:03:23 00:21:06:08 knowing how to convince,
00:21:06:12 00:21:10:11 knowing how to say
the right words,
00:21:10:18 00:21:14:10 and that people
will follow you indefinitely,
00:21:14:11 00:21:16:17 but life is not like that,
00:21:19:18 00:21:22:05 people don't stay
by your side
00:21:22:07 00:21:24:10 because
you've convinced them.
00:21:27:01 00:21:31:20 They stay by your side
for love,
00:21:32:03 00:21:35:13 to share,
00:21:36:02 00:21:45:02 for your ability
to perceive and answer
00:21:45:09 00:21:47:15 the needs of those people.
00:21:47:21 00:21:52:23 And let me tell you,
for your ability to perceive
00:21:53:06 00:21:57:19 and to allow yourself
to be cared by people,
00:22:02:00 00:22:04:19 allow yourself
to be taken care of.
00:22:07:10 00:22:10:02 So my experience
began like that,
00:22:10:03 00:22:14:02 the knee swelled
and I couldn't walk.
00:22:17:11 00:22:20:05 Two things
I wanted to share,
00:22:20:07 00:22:22:07 stories
to illustrate that.
00:22:22:13 00:22:26:04 When I went
to get an MRI scan,
00:22:26:11 00:22:29:14 I got into the lab,
I won't say the name,
00:22:29:15 00:22:32:15 and the girl said:
"Have you come for an MRI?”
00:22:32:16 00:22:36:00 "Yes, problem on my knee."
"So follow me."
00:22:36:01 00:22:37:17 And she rushed out.
00:22:43:09 00:22:47:00 I understand her situation,
a room full of people,
00:22:47:01 00:22:49:10 so she rushed out
very quickly.
00:22:52:10 00:22:56:02 And the moment
she rushed out
00:22:56:15 00:22:59:18 I remembered that
the day I stopped walking,
00:23:00:00 00:23:04:11 on the exact day the pain came
and I couldn't put my foot down,
00:23:04:12 00:23:07:09 out of the blue
my sis here called me.
00:23:10:23 00:23:12:16 There was no reason,
00:23:12:23 00:23:15:15 she knew I had
an appointment.
00:23:15:18 00:23:18:15 She called:
“Hey, how's it going?"
00:23:20:06 00:23:24:19 "Well, my leg feels like this..."
00:23:25:22 00:23:30:18 She said: "Do you know
the story of the good shepherd?"
00:23:30:19 00:23:33:14 I said:
"No, how does it go?"
00:23:33:15 00:23:36:16 “It goes like this, Haroldo."
00:23:36:21 00:23:41:08 "In the biblical culture,
you have sheep
00:23:41:09 00:23:44:18 that are older
and sheep that are younger.
00:23:46:12 00:23:51:06 The older sheep
are already used to the shepherd,
00:23:51:12 00:23:54:14 to his smell, to his voice.
00:23:56:15 00:24:00:19 So if you separate them
from the shepherd, they cry.
00:24:03:01 00:24:05:12 A loud cry.
They're always close.
00:24:05:12 00:24:07:13 But the youngest sheep,
00:24:08:01 00:24:11:17 it's a bit... you know?
00:24:11:23 00:24:15:04 A bit... It gets lost.
00:24:17:10 00:24:19:23 And when it gets lost
too often,
00:24:20:00 00:24:22:16 what does
the good shepherd do?
00:24:22:17 00:24:25:20 He goes there
and dislocates her leg.
00:24:28:03 00:24:32:12 Yes, he dislocates her leg,
00:24:33:01 00:24:36:05 bandages the leg...
00:24:37:06 00:24:41:21 of the sheep and from then on,
00:24:42:10 00:24:46:22 that sheep will be placed
on the shepherd's shoulder,
00:24:49:17 00:24:54:21 so that it can...
in the Northeast we say "sniff",
00:24:54:22 00:24:58:06 breathe in the shepherd's neck.
00:24:59:03 00:25:02:14 It will remain there
sniffing the shepherd.
00:25:03:15 00:25:10:02 It will be hearing his voice,
smelling him.
00:25:11:06 00:25:16:15 And while her leg recovers,
her sensibility increases.”
00:25:17:23 00:25:20:05 And evidently I said:
00:25:20:12 00:25:23:11 “Sis, this story of yours
is so comforting!
00:25:27:06 00:25:30:15 I'm feeling
so inspired now!
00:25:34:10 00:25:36:01 So inspired!"
00:25:39:00 00:25:42:23 And when the girl said that
and rushed out,
00:25:43:00 00:25:45:02 I remembered the story.
00:25:49:18 00:25:52:09 And she did, she entered the room.
00:25:52:20 00:25:56:20 Five minutes later,
I was halfway, she came back.
00:25:57:10 00:25:59:20 I said: "Everything ok?"
00:25:59:22 00:26:04:03 "Looking for someone?"
I even joked with her.
00:26:04:10 00:26:07:17 "No..."
I said: “Relax, I'll get there!”
00:26:07:18 00:26:09:23 “Don't worry, I'll get there!”
00:26:12:00 00:26:17:23 So I began to experience
weakness.
00:26:21:00 00:26:23:00 Weakness.
00:26:24:09 00:26:28:23 Look, if you don't go
through that experience,
00:26:29:05 00:26:33:03 you won't understand
Lazarus' resurrection.
00:26:39:08 00:26:45:00 You have to experience
not being capable...
00:26:47:01 00:26:48:20 needing.
00:26:50:01 00:26:53:09 Not being able.
I couldn't walk.
00:26:55:09 00:26:58:05 My wife knows me,
I'm anxious.
00:27:00:17 00:27:04:05 If anyone here
has heard the story of Alice,
00:27:04:06 00:27:06:17 I'm the rabbit
with the clock.
00:27:09:12 00:27:12:05 Time to do this,
time to do that...
00:27:14:04 00:27:15:15 It's the rabbit.
00:27:16:19 00:27:19:07 And suddenly,
to move there...
00:27:19:09 00:27:22:23 If I needed an MRI
and I was ok, what would I do?
00:27:22:23 00:27:26:22 I'd rush out ahead of her.
It would be the 100-yard dash.
00:27:28:01 00:27:30:07 And she would lose!
00:27:32:06 00:27:36:05 Then I began
to experience weakness.
00:27:39:17 00:27:44:07 So she left, came back,
threw me some clothes:
00:27:44:09 00:27:46:23 “You get changed there,
then you go...”
00:27:48:07 00:27:50:03 But what happens?
00:27:51:23 00:27:56:03 When weakness
knocks on your door,
00:27:56:04 00:28:01:00 you see the weakness
and necessity of the world.
00:28:05:19 00:28:10:07 Why? I had no lens
to experience weakness.
00:28:12:06 00:28:15:08 Intolerance to weakness,
00:28:15:15 00:28:17:13 intolerance to mistakes,
00:28:17:14 00:28:19:21 intolerance to vice,
00:28:21:06 00:28:24:06 intolerance to limitation,
00:28:25:07 00:28:28:07 intolerance to difficulty...
00:28:28:08 00:28:31:07 And that, unfortunately,
seems to be a virus
00:28:31:09 00:28:34:07 contaminating
all the spiritist community.
00:28:37:15 00:28:42:13 All spiritists are feeling
almighty,
00:28:44:14 00:28:46:00 untouchable,
00:28:50:01 00:28:51:07 immune,
00:28:52:18 00:28:54:10 unbeatable...
00:29:04:03 00:29:06:19 And everything starts
to get difficult.
00:29:06:20 00:29:10:19 Getting out of bed to fetch
a glass of water is a saga.
00:29:11:12 00:29:13:19 A soap opera
doesn't take so long.
00:29:15:05 00:29:17:18 A saga, a saga, a saga...
00:29:17:19 00:29:19:22 Physical therapy,
first day,
00:29:19:22 00:29:22:19 I had no strength
to move my ankle,
00:29:22:20 00:29:24:07 because it atrophies.
00:29:25:01 00:29:29:19 So you see a professional,
a young man,
00:29:30:03 00:29:37:12 Álvaro, he arrives,
twenty-something, and he says:
00:29:37:18 00:29:43:17 “Let's go, easy now.
Let's go! One... two..."
00:29:43:18 00:29:51:06 It's a huge move, this one here.
"Three... four... five...”
00:29:51:07 00:29:52:22 "I can't stand no more."
00:29:53:13 00:29:55:13 “So rest now!”
00:29:56:22 00:30:01:13 And the guy's there
an hour and a half.
00:30:07:15 00:30:10:12 But what did
I begin to realize?
00:30:12:10 00:30:16:02 I began to notice
a scent of shepherd...
00:30:19:04 00:30:21:04 A scent of shepherd...
00:30:21:11 00:30:27:15 Because it was like this...
I couldn't walk,
00:30:27:22 00:30:32:23 there was an orthopedist,
dr. Sérgio Viana,
00:30:33:00 00:30:34:17 I must thank him,
00:30:34:22 00:30:36:22 he took me
to his office...
00:30:39:04 00:30:43:22 Looked it all over,
gave me a previous prognosis,
00:30:43:23 00:30:45:18 told me to see
a specialist.
00:30:45:19 00:30:49:14 I was gonna look for a cardiologist,
dr. Osvaldo Elias came along.
00:30:49:15 00:30:51:12 I went to his office.
00:30:51:13 00:30:54:18 I'm not afraid of surgery.
00:30:54:19 00:30:56:15 I'm horrified!
00:30:59:10 00:31:02:13 I'm horrified!
00:31:03:02 00:31:06:18 So I go there, and dr. Oswaldo:
"Everything's ok."
00:31:07:18 00:31:09:18 "What's that knee problem?"
00:31:10:09 00:31:12:09 Then I began to feel safe.
00:31:12:17 00:31:14:21 He examined me.
“It's ok...
00:31:14:21 00:31:18:05 Everything's fine.
I do heart surgery..."
00:31:18:07 00:31:21:21 Then he begins
to talk of spirituality...
00:31:21:23 00:31:27:07 You know I began to feel
the hand of Jesus there?
00:31:30:01 00:31:34:00 I was already feeling that,
00:31:34:07 00:31:38:19 when you experience
weakness,
00:31:39:02 00:31:42:10 you begin to realize
the power of God.
00:31:45:09 00:31:47:16 Because let me tell you
something,
00:31:47:18 00:31:51:03 God will never
compete with you!
00:31:54:07 00:31:56:22 While you think
you're strong,
00:31:56:23 00:31:59:13 He'll let you think
you're strong.
00:31:59:15 00:32:02:23 He doesn't compete.
It's in the book "Boa Nova".
00:32:04:09 00:32:06:03 God does not dispute,
00:32:06:09 00:32:09:10 He does not compete
with His sons for power.
00:32:10:21 00:32:15:12 The wife is leaving,
I can tell a few things here.
00:32:16:06 00:32:17:23 No, go ahead, that's ok!
00:32:20:06 00:32:24:15 He won't dispute.
So I had to make myself weak.
00:32:24:16 00:32:29:05 So when I experienced
weakness, I began...
00:32:30:07 00:32:34:21 The care,
the son coming,
00:32:35:22 00:32:39:08 the people,
the tenderness...
00:32:39:14 00:32:43:09 And you say:
“My God!
00:32:43:10 00:32:48:15 What's it for?
Why that omnipotence?
00:32:48:21 00:32:54:12 Why that self-sufficiency
in our relations?
00:32:54:19 00:32:58:04 Why think
I don't have to receive?”
00:32:58:11 00:33:02:10 Because the spiritist thinks
charity is something he does.
00:33:02:11 00:33:05:11 Friend, throughout your life,
you'll receive
00:33:05:12 00:33:08:08 more charity
than you're able to repay.
00:33:09:18 00:33:13:10 You'll never be
charitable enough
00:33:13:11 00:33:17:09 to repay all the charity
you receive.
00:33:21:00 00:33:23:12 You'll never be able
to forgive
00:33:23:13 00:33:26:02 as much as
you are forgiven.
00:33:29:17 00:33:32:13 So that began
to be very clear for me.
00:33:34:10 00:33:35:19 Then came the day...
00:33:36:21 00:33:39:00 Three nights without sleep,
00:33:39:01 00:33:42:04 because the day of the surgery
was coming,
00:33:42:09 00:33:43:18 then came the day.
00:33:43:18 00:33:45:07 Then came the day...
00:33:45:16 00:33:49:02 They took me to a room,
gave me a nightgown,
00:33:49:03 00:33:51:17 I'm not used to that...
00:33:51:18 00:33:55:16 The girl gave me a nightgown
and said: “Put that on”.
00:33:56:18 00:34:00:23 You undress, put the nightgown on,
it's open in the back...
00:34:01:00 00:34:04:08 Kind of embarrassing,
kind of weird.
00:34:05:18 00:34:09:09 Then you walk,
it opens up, you try to close it...
00:34:10:14 00:34:13:03 So I'm there sitting
in a nightgown...
00:34:13:04 00:34:17:18 a very serious girl
comes in...
00:34:18:03 00:34:19:13 The anesthesiologist.
00:34:20:15 00:34:22:21 “Everything ok there?”
00:34:22:22 00:34:24:22 I said: "No."
00:34:24:22 00:34:28:06 She asked:
“Are you afraid of surgery?”
00:34:28:07 00:34:32:04 “You're mistaken.
I'm horrified!”
00:34:33:15 00:34:36:23 She said:
“But you won't see anything.”
00:34:37:00 00:34:39:00 I said:
“Is that good or bad?”
00:34:45:15 00:34:48:16 She must have sensed
a certain irritation.
00:34:51:00 00:34:53:15 Fearing, perhaps,
for her life,
00:34:55:08 00:34:57:20 she tried to smile
00:34:57:21 00:35:01:13 and said: “Relax,
everything will be fine."
00:35:04:01 00:35:06:21 I came in. So cold!
00:35:07:17 00:35:10:18 Why does the operating room
have to be cold?
00:35:10:19 00:35:14:05 So many doctors here, tell me.
It's absurd!
00:35:14:06 00:35:17:16 It seems the guys puts
the air conditioner at 5ºF.
00:35:19:20 00:35:21:18 And with that nightgown on!
00:35:24:00 00:35:26:09 They put me in a bed,
00:35:26:10 00:35:30:12 the lady came,
put the thing and...
00:35:30:13 00:35:32:11 That moment I said:
00:35:32:12 00:35:39:07 "Now... now there's
an experience here,
00:35:39:19 00:35:44:21 which is surrendering
completely!
00:35:46:14 00:35:53:08 Then when I thought that,
the serious lady came in,
00:35:54:17 00:35:57:05 put her hand
on my forehead and said:
00:35:57:06 00:36:01:05 “Be calm,
everything's gonna be fine.”
00:36:01:11 00:36:03:17 A nurse came in
and said:
00:36:03:18 00:36:06:18 “These people think
patients don't feel cold!”
00:36:06:19 00:36:09:01 And put a blanket
over me!
00:36:11:21 00:36:16:03 I said: “Man, this is starting
to be good!”
00:36:18:21 00:36:23:11 Next thing I saw myself
waking up in a lot of pain.
00:36:24:21 00:36:29:15 I'd come back.
I'd come back in pain.
00:36:29:16 00:36:33:06 The doctor said:
"I thought I'd do one thing,
00:36:33:07 00:36:37:00 but had to take out more stuff.
Kind of complicated.
00:36:37:01 00:36:39:13 But we'll give you
a painkiller..."
00:36:39:18 00:36:45:17 Then the process began
and I was acquiring...
00:36:45:18 00:36:53:21 a very especial perception
00:36:55:03 00:36:58:15 that Jesus
feels moved by pain.
00:37:03:15 00:37:05:15 He feels touched.
00:37:06:20 00:37:09:14 Only Jesus is so subtle...
00:37:09:21 00:37:14:04 Because if you're expecting
fireworks, noise...
00:37:14:10 00:37:17:12 That's not His personality.
00:37:17:19 00:37:21:03 I know because now
I even know His smell.
00:37:21:17 00:37:28:12 His personality
is discreet, subtle.
00:37:29:13 00:37:31:13 Subtle.
00:37:34:02 00:37:38:19 And He's so intensely
moved by pain...
00:37:38:20 00:37:42:08 that things began
to happen...
00:37:42:09 00:37:44:05 This professional...
00:37:44:06 00:37:49:01 Things were happening,
and I had no control at all!
00:37:52:16 00:37:54:16 No control at all!
00:37:59:05 00:38:01:06 And four days ago
00:38:01:07 00:38:05:17 I began a process
of reflection,
00:38:05:18 00:38:07:18 'cause being ill
is like this:
00:38:07:18 00:38:12:15 the first 4 days are really good,
you catch up on your sleep.
00:38:13:19 00:38:18:01 Then you get sick
of being in bed.
00:38:20:12 00:38:24:03 I was already in that stage,
then I began to ponder:
00:38:24:06 00:38:27:14 "They gave me anesthesia
and I felt nothing,
00:38:27:15 00:38:29:15 what does it feel like to die?
00:38:30:18 00:38:34:03 Maybe you shut off and sleep?
00:38:34:04 00:38:36:07 And suddenly you wake up?
00:38:36:08 00:38:38:20 I was a bit afraid
of that.
00:38:40:01 00:38:42:17 I went like:
“God Almighty!
00:38:42:18 00:38:46:12 I felt nothing!
I saw no one!
00:38:47:15 00:38:55:05 There was no spirit there!
Nothing... How strange!
00:38:55:16 00:38:58:02 And I began
to feel an anguish...
00:39:00:06 00:39:03:16 And the day before yesterday,
7 o'clock I got up,
00:39:04:05 00:39:08:04 and by 7:30 I had gotten
to the bathroom to pee.
00:39:09:00 00:39:13:04 When I came back and lied down,
and then I fell asleep,
00:39:14:21 00:39:18:21 suddenly I felt a hand
strongly holding my arm.
00:39:20:21 00:39:24:05 I didn't know if I was asleep
or awaken.
00:39:24:06 00:39:26:21 The hand held tight,
real tight!
00:39:26:22 00:39:31:06 I said:
“Someone's here! Who is it?”
00:39:31:07 00:39:32:17 And I held the arm.
00:39:32:18 00:39:35:07 Then I saw it was
my daughter's arm.
00:39:36:15 00:39:40:02 Then I raised my hand,
stroke her hair,
00:39:40:03 00:39:44:01 sniffed it and said:
“Daughter, is that you?”
00:39:44:05 00:39:47:15 I opened my eyes
and I was holding nothing.
00:39:50:14 00:39:54:05 Then the human being,
00:39:54:11 00:39:57:13 who's full of hope,
always thinks the worst.
00:39:58:14 00:40:01:22 “My daughter's died!"
00:40:03:15 00:40:06:23 "I'll call her."
She didn't answer her cell phone.
00:40:07:07 00:40:11:18 I called her home phone and
her grandma said she was sleeping.
00:40:11:19 00:40:14:15 "Oh! How good!
Thank God!"
00:40:14:21 00:40:16:21 It was the answer.
00:40:16:21 00:40:21:20 And this has been
the experience of weakness,
00:40:22:05 00:40:28:09 limitation, pain,
incapacity.
00:40:29:00 00:40:33:18 But I'll tell you something:
incapable I was before.
00:40:37:07 00:40:42:05 Because we are incapable
when we don't recognize
00:40:42:12 00:40:44:12 that we need each other.
00:40:45:18 00:40:47:20 That's an incapacity.
00:40:49:03 00:40:52:09 Incapacity doesn't mean
not being able to walk.
00:40:52:15 00:40:56:07 Incapacity is to think
you can walk on your own.
00:41:03:14 00:41:08:09 Incapacity doesn't mean
to need people's help.
00:41:08:21 00:41:11:01 Incapacity is to think
00:41:11:03 00:41:14:08 you don't need
anyone to help you,
00:41:17:02 00:41:20:05 that you can handle it.
And you can't!
00:41:21:05 00:41:27:06 Because we only do
what God allows us to do.
00:41:30:15 00:41:32:15 Only what God allows.
00:41:36:14 00:41:42:13 So we are forced
to renew our concepts
00:41:42:14 00:41:44:14 and to imagine this...
00:41:44:15 00:41:46:15 Imagine this...
00:41:49:00 00:41:55:02 Out of the blue,
someone sent me a book
00:41:55:03 00:41:57:05 by Yogananda.
00:41:59:08 00:42:01:21 The book talks about God...
00:42:02:10 00:42:06:03 Yogananda is a yoga master,
of the Hindu tradition.
00:42:06:10 00:42:10:01 I'm not very familiar
with the Hindu tradition,
00:42:10:02 00:42:13:03 I know very little.
I'd like to know more.
00:42:13:04 00:42:15:06 I know very little
in this life.
00:42:15:07 00:42:19:08 And... there Yogananda,
00:42:19:23 00:42:22:20 as amazing as it sounds,
00:42:23:07 00:42:26:03 writes a page
that goes like this:
00:42:26:10 00:42:28:13 “On the contact
with the beings
00:42:28:14 00:42:31:13 that have gone
to the spiritual world.”
00:42:33:18 00:42:37:01 I said: "What?"
00:42:37:02 00:42:39:02 Then Yogananda says
00:42:39:20 00:42:43:11 we should beware of the dangers
of mediumship,
00:42:43:12 00:42:45:17 and we know that, right?
He says:
00:42:45:18 00:42:50:16 “I had never been in touch
00:42:50:17 00:42:54:15 with my dear little mother
who died,
00:42:56:06 00:43:02:05 until the day
I learned two things.
00:43:03:07 00:43:09:18 First: God takes a few people
out of our lives
00:43:09:19 00:43:12:17 so that we learn
to love other people,
00:43:12:18 00:43:14:15 to broaden our love.
00:43:15:21 00:43:20:04 If not, our love remains
in a restricted circle.
00:43:22:16 00:43:27:03 And second,
after I learned
00:43:27:04 00:43:31:05 to surrender
to the Divine Mother,
00:43:31:11 00:43:36:04 who took care of me
in several existences,
00:43:36:05 00:43:40:17 through the hands
of the various mothers I've had..."
00:43:46:02 00:43:48:08 He's talking about God.
00:43:48:14 00:43:52:14 Naturally,
the feminine aspect of God,
00:43:52:15 00:43:54:09 if we may say so.
00:43:54:10 00:43:57:04 God is not feminine
nor masculine,
00:43:57:05 00:44:00:01 it's a metaphor,
for Heaven's sake!
00:44:00:02 00:44:02:01 God transcends
what's human,
00:44:02:02 00:44:05:06 we need metaphors
00:44:05:07 00:44:08:14 to be able to understand Him.
That's it.
00:44:09:23 00:44:11:23 But there's an aspect
of God,
00:44:11:23 00:44:14:14 the aspect
of Divine Providence,
00:44:14:20 00:44:17:04 the aspect of caring,
00:44:17:05 00:44:20:10 feeding, nourishing,
taking care.
00:44:23:19 00:44:27:09 Before that situation
I said: "That's it! That's it!"
00:44:28:17 00:44:32:07 For how many existences
has God been taking care of me
00:44:32:08 00:44:35:19 through the people
He put in my destiny?
00:44:36:04 00:44:40:23 And I couldn't commune with Him?
And surrender to Him.
00:44:44:08 00:44:47:11 So you need
to dislocate a knee,
00:44:50:00 00:44:53:10 so that at the moment
that you're weakest,
00:44:53:15 00:44:59:00 you feel the strength of love.
00:45:03:19 00:45:06:08 The power that love has.
00:45:10:20 00:45:15:02 And that intelligence
will never reach.
00:45:16:03 00:45:17:03 Never!
00:45:21:00 00:45:23:00 Why are we saying this?
00:45:25:11 00:45:28:14 Because Jesus
arriving at Bethany,
00:45:28:15 00:45:30:23 at the house of Mary,
Martha and Lazarus
00:45:31:00 00:45:34:00 and crying
means that,
00:45:34:04 00:45:38:10 if you think Jesus
is the guide and model
00:45:38:17 00:45:42:01 who's in the spiritual
governorship of the world
00:45:42:09 00:45:44:21 indifferent to my knee,
00:45:45:05 00:45:48:02 I'll tell you something:
you are mistaken.
00:45:50:06 00:45:54:10 My experience
entitles me to say:
00:45:54:11 00:46:00:21 you are wrong!
He cares.
00:46:04:01 00:46:07:17 He cares.
He's moved.
00:46:12:11 00:46:18:03 Our Creator God
is a Providential God.
00:46:21:12 00:46:24:14 He's a God that takes cares,
00:46:24:20 00:46:26:13 that accompanies.
00:46:26:20 00:46:31:08 With incomparable love.
00:46:34:09 00:46:36:09 Incomparable.
00:46:36:10 00:46:39:13 Then why didn't I
feel it?
00:46:39:19 00:46:43:18 Because I was too worried
running ahead of Him.
00:46:48:13 00:46:50:07 I was too worried
00:46:50:08 00:46:54:14 about finding human solutions
to matters which are divine.
00:46:59:12 00:47:03:11 That's it.
To matters which are divine.
00:47:06:13 00:47:12:03 And the family is that environment.
It's that environment.
00:47:12:04 00:47:17:06 Who your father and mother are
is not your decision.
00:47:17:13 00:47:22:15 That decision is not yours.
That decision is God's.
00:47:24:07 00:47:27:22 As far as the spirits
who are born in a family,
00:47:28:00 00:47:30:20 who comes first
is not your decision.
00:47:32:20 00:47:36:03 Who'll be the oldest,
who'll be the youngest.
00:47:37:03 00:47:39:03 It's not your decision.
00:47:41:19 00:47:44:05 In an institution
where you arrive
00:47:45:07 00:47:48:03 and you proudly
00:47:48:04 00:47:52:09 want to change,
want to take over,
00:47:53:08 00:47:57:20 you were not the one
who put the first people.
00:48:02:07 00:48:08:06 So there's a frame
to the picture, to life.
00:48:09:02 00:48:10:18 A frame.
00:48:12:00 00:48:15:06 The pillars are set
by God.
00:48:16:14 00:48:19:05 And every time
that my action,
00:48:19:06 00:48:23:03 every time that my feeling,
my reasoning
00:48:23:04 00:48:28:16 is contrary
to these pillars of life,
00:48:28:17 00:48:30:13 I suffer.
00:48:34:05 00:48:35:13 I suffer.
00:48:39:05 00:48:41:15 Because
we cannot mix up
00:48:41:17 00:48:44:13 free will
00:48:44:14 00:48:48:20 and absolute will.
00:48:49:19 00:48:54:21 Absolute will
is God's will.
00:48:56:10 00:48:59:22 It was Him
who set the pillars
00:48:59:22 00:49:02:14 of life and of the universe.
Not you.
00:49:04:13 00:49:08:13 Not you.
And you will not alter them.
00:49:13:20 00:49:15:20 So what will you do?
00:49:16:02 00:49:19:14 You'll only do
what the Divine Providence
00:49:19:15 00:49:21:12 allows you to do.
00:49:22:00 00:49:26:04 And in the period of time
God has traced for your action.
00:49:27:09 00:49:31:01 Your action lasts a while.
00:49:35:00 00:49:39:04 But what did I realize?
00:49:41:18 00:49:45:03 I realized
that time is running out.
00:49:46:09 00:49:48:22 But besides that
00:49:48:22 00:49:51:23 I could realize...
00:49:52:00 00:49:55:13 that God is.
00:49:58:15 00:50:02:14 And that it's possible
to interact with Him.
00:50:05:16 00:50:10:11 So it means
that you can ask for things.
00:50:11:00 00:50:14:16 And some of your wishes
will be granted. Some won't.
00:50:16:15 00:50:22:00 But you'll never be left
without an answer. Never.
00:50:22:13 00:50:27:15 The thing is if you're prepared
to see the answer.
00:50:28:18 00:50:30:04 And then?
00:50:30:10 00:50:33:06 Prepared to interpret it.
00:50:35:23 00:50:39:04 If you're thinking
God will materialize here
00:50:39:05 00:50:41:07 and talk to you, forget it.
00:50:43:19 00:50:46:07 That's not how He talks.
00:50:47:20 00:50:50:02 He talks through people.
00:50:51:00 00:50:53:09 He talks through circumstances,
00:50:54:10 00:50:59:14 things that happen and tell you:
00:50:59:15 00:51:01:10 "That's it! Understand it."
00:51:01:11 00:51:04:03 And you'd better
understand quickly.
00:51:04:04 00:51:06:08 You'd better
not spend energy
00:51:06:09 00:51:09:20 fighting the pillars
of God's decisions.
00:51:12:07 00:51:18:19 So the story of Martha,
Mary and Lazarus
00:51:18:20 00:51:22:05 is that someone was moved.
00:51:26:14 00:51:30:17 Someone was moved
00:51:31:07 00:51:35:06 and only one who loves
is moved.
00:51:36:17 00:51:38:12 One who loves.
00:51:39:00 00:51:42:17 Today,
with this incapacity,
00:51:42:21 00:51:45:16 in some places
I have to watch out
00:51:45:17 00:51:48:14 not to be run over
by anyone.
00:51:48:15 00:51:51:01 Because we live
in a world
00:51:51:05 00:51:56:06 where people are losing
the sensibility for limitations.
00:51:58:18 00:52:02:18 They think they can give life
the speed they want.
00:52:04:00 00:52:06:12 Until they get sick.
00:52:09:08 00:52:11:15 They think
they can do everything.
00:52:12:00 00:52:14:12 Until they are faced
with limitation.
00:52:16:05 00:52:21:00 And they think frailty
will never reach them.
00:52:27:11 00:52:32:00 So I had to walk by these places
protecting myself.
00:52:32:06 00:52:36:12 But to one
who can still be moved,
00:52:38:12 00:52:43:05 to one who still loves,
00:52:43:06 00:52:45:06 that doesn't happen.
00:52:49:05 00:52:51:23 Because he who loves
00:52:52:00 00:52:57:16 walks besides his loved one.
00:52:59:20 00:53:04:08 So I felt Jesus
is walking next to me.
00:53:05:16 00:53:08:01 He that can fly!
00:53:10:19 00:53:16:11 But He has been limping with me
the last few days.
00:53:22:09 00:53:30:01 So I began to notice
a few aspects of the cross
00:53:31:21 00:53:37:14 and began to realize I'm not
the only one afraid of surgery,
00:53:37:21 00:53:41:13 the spiritist is the most fearful
person in the planet.
00:53:45:11 00:53:48:07 The human being
is scared to death of pain.
00:53:49:03 00:53:51:16 We are scared to death
of pain.
00:53:51:21 00:53:54:21 Sometimes you don't love
so you don't suffer,
00:53:56:10 00:53:59:13 you don't surrender
so you won't get hurt,
00:54:04:21 00:54:07:17 you don't get involved
not to be wounded.
00:54:08:00 00:54:10:04 "I don't like
spiritist work,
00:54:10:05 00:54:13:21 too much confusion...
I don't like to be offended,
00:54:15:00 00:54:17:18 so I'll retire from evolution.
00:54:19:06 00:54:20:17 I won't do anything!"
00:54:22:16 00:54:27:09 So that's what Emmanuel
talks about in "Renunciation",
00:54:27:10 00:54:30:06 this exaggerated notion
of pain.
00:54:32:19 00:54:36:19 Exaggerated notion
of expiation...
00:54:39:20 00:54:42:06 And fear, fear!
00:54:42:07 00:54:45:21 Fear of doing something
because you'll be criticized.
00:54:45:22 00:54:49:15 Let them talk, let them speak ill,
let them criticize,
00:54:49:16 00:54:52:16 let them criticize my lectures,
my attitude,
00:54:52:17 00:54:56:02 my new glasses,
my walk,
00:54:56:03 00:54:59:12 let them criticize,
because I'll keep on doing it!
00:55:00:08 00:55:04:14 Because criticism is a blessing
of God in our life.
00:55:05:11 00:55:08:17 If you're not being criticized,
my friend,
00:55:08:19 00:55:13:08 there are only two ways,
two ways:
00:55:13:11 00:55:16:09 you're either
in a psychiatric hospital
00:55:16:10 00:55:20:08 and the doctor, as a rule,
does not criticize the patient.
00:55:23:15 00:55:26:17 Or you have lost track
00:55:28:00 00:55:30:11 of time,
00:55:30:12 00:55:33:22 of space and of relations...
00:55:36:10 00:55:40:14 And of relations. So living...
00:55:40:21 00:55:47:10 Living is diving lovingly
in the swimming pool of criticism.
00:55:49:21 00:55:54:04 Accept that people
will not like you,
00:55:54:11 00:55:57:09 some will,
others won't accept you,
00:55:57:10 00:55:59:20 others won't empathize
with you...
00:56:02:07 00:56:04:14 It was so with Christ...
00:56:05:02 00:56:08:05 Accept, accept that people
will hurt you.
00:56:10:04 00:56:12:17 They will hurt you.
00:56:12:23 00:56:14:16 But I tell you something:
00:56:16:03 00:56:20:21 a year of hurt
is not worth a second of love!
00:56:24:07 00:56:27:17 When you experience love,
00:56:29:06 00:56:32:02 love that has nothing
to do with Hollywood,
00:56:32:04 00:56:37:06 with men and women,
nothing to do with that, nothing...
00:56:38:15 00:56:42:12 It's love watching, caring...
00:56:43:13 00:56:46:13 It's love being welcomed,
00:56:49:00 00:56:52:04 it's love
being able to limp,
00:56:57:05 00:57:00:17 to be limited,
00:57:00:18 00:57:04:17 to not know things,
00:57:05:16 00:57:08:14 to feel fear,
00:57:09:15 00:57:12:09 to doubt...
00:57:14:09 00:57:17:19 That's love,
and that's what Jesus did.
00:57:18:02 00:57:22:09 Because you don't imagine
the spiritual governor of the globe,
00:57:23:00 00:57:26:23 He that knew about everything,
even the crucifixion,
00:57:28:04 00:57:32:10 would cry simply
because Lazarus had died.
00:57:36:09 00:57:37:18 That's not it!
00:57:39:03 00:57:43:14 If you think death
only has to do with losing the body,
00:57:43:15 00:57:45:00 you are mistaken!
00:57:45:21 00:57:49:14 Death has to do
with experiencing weakness,
00:57:51:00 00:57:54:02 death has to do
with missing someone,
00:57:56:02 00:58:00:01 death is the thermometer
which measures how much you love!
00:58:01:17 00:58:03:08 If you don't love,
00:58:03:09 00:58:06:06 it makes no difference
who died.
00:58:06:11 00:58:11:03 If the coffin is open... it only
makes a difference to one who loves.
00:58:13:06 00:58:18:01 Death has to do with the level
of your relations,
00:58:20:00 00:58:23:10 with saying goodbye
to meet again later on.
00:58:25:15 00:58:28:11 Death has to do
with feelings...
00:58:31:19 00:58:34:01 It has to do
with feelings...
00:58:34:15 00:58:41:03 Sometimes we joke:
"That knee problem, is it karma?"
00:58:41:10 00:58:45:09 I say: “No, this illness
is not for death,
00:58:45:10 00:58:47:07 but for the glory of God,
00:58:47:08 00:58:52:03 so that the Son of God
is glorified through it.”
00:58:59:10 00:59:01:03 That was it,
00:59:03:09 00:59:07:21 because now I can speak
00:59:08:03 00:59:10:09 of the Promised Consoler,
00:59:14:15 00:59:16:21 now I can speak of hope,
00:59:17:23 00:59:19:07 of love,
00:59:19:08 00:59:23:09 of Jesus "shepherd of souls",
00:59:26:23 00:59:31:11 because I've made myself
solidary in illness,
00:59:32:16 00:59:36:20 I've made myself
solidary in limitation,
00:59:37:14 00:59:39:09 in weakness...
00:59:43:09 00:59:47:08 and now I can understand
00:59:47:15 00:59:50:04 something that is very deep
00:59:51:00 00:59:53:09 and I want to end,
to wrap up,
00:59:53:13 00:59:56:20 to understand how it connects
to the family,
00:59:56:22 01:00:00:00 now I can understand
that loving,
01:00:01:04 01:00:05:10 loving doesn't mean showing
the power you have.
01:00:08:20 01:00:11:06 God is omnipotent,
01:00:12:04 01:00:14:23 but He's not a show-off,
01:00:15:04 01:00:19:19 He doesn't go around giving
demonstrations of omnipotence,
01:00:20:12 01:00:23:02 He gives demonstrations
of love.
01:00:23:09 01:00:27:08 So I'll tell you this,
to wrap up... Now it's over.
01:00:28:22 01:00:32:00 Family, family...
01:00:35:10 01:00:39:09 is not a stage for you
to show off what you can do,
01:00:42:17 01:00:46:09 family is not the place
for you to show off your power,
01:00:50:01 01:00:52:23 family is the place
01:00:53:00 01:00:56:14 for you to experience
limitations,
01:00:56:15 01:00:58:19 yours and other people's.
01:01:00:00 01:01:03:14 Family is the place for you
to share suffering,
01:01:03:16 01:01:08:07 because family
does not leave you alone
01:01:08:08 01:01:12:02 and you do not leave
your family alone.
01:01:12:09 01:01:16:06 If you suffer, they suffer;
if they suffer, you suffer.
01:01:17:00 01:01:21:00 It's not having peace.
But not having peace
01:01:21:01 01:01:24:15 and sharing suffering
is loving.
01:01:27:08 01:01:32:10 So truly loving...
01:01:32:16 01:01:37:02 I went to physical therapy
and he began...
01:01:37:03 01:01:39:08 “It hurts so much..."
He said:
01:01:39:09 01:01:42:17 “Look, we're gonna have
to do some work
01:01:42:18 01:01:45:02 of recovery
here and now,
01:01:45:07 01:01:50:09 and your recovery
is connected to pain.
01:01:55:04 01:01:57:10 You'll have to deal
with pain,
01:01:57:11 01:02:01:12 I need to know
the limit of your pain.
01:02:01:13 01:02:04:16 The limit of your pain
is the limit of my treatment.
01:02:04:17 01:02:07:13 It's where I can go
and where I cannot go,
01:02:09:19 01:02:12:15 but you'll have
to feel pain."
01:02:15:03 01:02:16:11 Feel pain.
01:02:17:14 01:02:21:13 So, friend,
go back to your family,
01:02:22:00 01:02:24:01 cry with them,
01:02:25:01 01:02:29:13 share with them,
thank God here
01:02:29:19 01:02:33:04 all the faults
your relatives have.
01:02:35:17 01:02:38:15 All the tears
you have shed
01:02:38:16 01:02:40:20 because of your family,
01:02:43:02 01:02:46:16 all you have suffered
in your marriage,
01:02:47:01 01:02:50:04 in the relationship
with your children,
01:02:50:05 01:02:55:05 with your relatives,
your mother-in-law... everything!
01:02:56:07 01:03:02:19 Be thankful, because it's part
of your physical therapy...
01:03:05:13 01:03:08:17 And you need,
01:03:08:18 01:03:14:02 you need to recover something
01:03:14:08 01:03:18:20 that the spirits who incarnate
on Earth have lost:
01:03:20:05 01:03:21:19 the capacity to love.
01:03:26:03 01:03:28:23 To be capable to love
01:03:29:00 01:03:35:17 you must create
a healthy resistance to pain,
01:03:36:06 01:03:39:02 know how to feel pain
and to ask for help.
01:03:39:08 01:03:41:22 Thank you so much,
Jesus bless you all.
01:04:07:18 01:04:11:10 We will start now
our questions and answers.
01:04:11:17 01:04:14:10 Quem tiver alguma pergunta
01:04:14:11 01:04:19:00 pode encaminhar
para o pessoal da recepção
01:04:19:01 01:04:21:06 que estiver nos corredores.
01:04:21:07 01:04:24:09 A gente vai ter só 15min, tá?
Obrigado!
01:04:50:01 01:04:55:07 Vamos pedir pra que todo mundo
coloque o e-mail na pergunta,
01:04:55:08 01:04:57:17 porque, se por acaso
não der tempo,
01:04:57:18 01:05:00:03 depois a gente encaminha
para os expositores
01:05:00:04 01:05:03:02 e eles podem responder
pra vocês por e-mail.
01:05:48:01 01:05:49:21 Gente, tem alguma pergunta?
01:05:49:22 01:05:51:08 Alguma questão?
01:05:53:01 01:05:57:13 Tem, tá, pode deixar, tá.
01:05:57:21 01:06:01:19 Só aproveitando,
enquanto preparam-se as perguntas...
01:06:01:23 01:06:05:04 Haroldo, ouvindo você falar
me ocorreu uma coisa,
01:06:05:05 01:06:08:00 nós nos esquecemos
de colocar uma oficina:
01:06:08:01 01:06:09:16 "relação com a sogra".
01:06:10:22 01:06:12:07 Não é?
01:06:12:08 01:06:16:02 Diz a tradição bíblica que é
um grande motivo de dissensão
01:06:16:03 01:06:17:12 entre Pedro e Jesus.
01:06:17:14 01:06:20:16 Pedro nunca perdoou Jesus
por ter curado a sogra.
01:06:22:04 01:06:27:02 Gente, só enquanto as perguntas
são preparadas,
01:06:27:03 01:06:29:22 queria dar dois recadinhos
pra vocês:
01:06:30:05 01:06:34:04 o primeiro é que,
na parte das oficinas da tarde,
01:06:34:11 01:06:38:16 vocês já têm ali as indicações
das salas, não é?
01:06:39:01 01:06:40:19 Só pra facilitar,
01:06:40:20 01:06:45:20 a "relação de casal"
é aqui nesta sala ao lado,
01:06:46:01 01:06:48:13 em frente à recepção
onde vocês receberam o crachá.
01:06:48:20 01:06:54:12 "Pais e filhos" é dentro da capela,
que fica ali....
01:06:54:13 01:06:58:08 Dentro da capela, vamos
trabalhar a relação com os pais.
01:06:58:09 01:07:03:00 A que fica em frente à livraria,
entrada pela livraria, inclusive.
01:07:04:01 01:07:07:22 Pode levar o tema da sogra,
inclusive, pra lá.
01:07:08:06 01:07:10:01 A "oficina de bebês"
01:07:10:02 01:07:14:12 é subindo pela escada
que está após a livraria.
01:07:14:18 01:07:19:00 Tá? Então só subir a escada
já chega no espaço onde está,
01:07:19:05 01:07:20:18 bem de frente à escada.
01:07:20:19 01:07:23:10 "Perdão nas relações
familiares",
01:07:23:11 01:07:27:22 vocês vão subir por essa escadinha
antes da livraria...
01:07:28:06 01:07:30:12 Logo que atravessou
o jardim aqui,
01:07:30:19 01:07:33:21 podem ver que escondidinho
tem uma escadinha.
01:07:34:04 01:07:39:12 Sobe essa escadinha, vira à direita,
é a sala que está ao fundo.
01:07:39:19 01:07:41:11 Mas tem as indicações.
01:07:41:12 01:07:45:02 Às 14 horas vai começar
a primeira oficina,
01:07:45:03 01:07:48:19 então, aqueles que estão
no primeiro horário
01:07:49:03 01:07:52:22 atentem para isso
para poder se locomover
01:07:52:23 01:07:55:14 com o tempo adequado, né?
01:07:55:20 01:07:58:01 Mas aqueles que,
porventura,
01:07:58:02 01:08:01:02 não se inscreveram
para uma oficina,
01:08:01:03 01:08:03:06 também não se sintam
obrigados,
01:08:04:01 01:08:07:15 até porque o que nós vamos
ter aqui na parte da tarde
01:08:07:16 01:08:09:09 vai ser uma oficina.
01:08:09:15 01:08:13:12 A primeira palestra da Joana,
"Bem-Vindo à Vida",
01:08:13:13 01:08:21:05 seguida depois pelo trabalho prático
em "Evangelho com os Jovens"
01:08:21:11 01:08:26:13 e a palestra a respeito
da "Dependência e da Codependência",
01:08:26:20 01:08:30:19 eles vão ser feitos também
de uma forma vivencial,
01:08:31:01 01:08:33:19 em alguma medida, principalmente
a "Bem-Vindo à Vida"
01:08:33:20 01:08:35:20 e a "Dependência e Codependência".
01:08:38:09 01:08:42:07 “Acolhendo a Vida Desde o Início”,
que é a primeira palestra da tarde.
01:08:42:15 01:08:46:13 Então, vamos ter aqui no salão,
também, uma atividade vivencial.
01:08:46:19 01:08:49:15 Bom, terceiro e último,
01:08:49:22 01:08:53:06 é que muitas pessoas
foram procurar
01:08:53:07 01:08:55:00 o livro de Constelação Familiar
que eu indiquei,
01:08:55:01 01:08:58:16 "A Fonte Não Precisa Perguntar
pelo Caminho", já tinha terminado.
01:08:58:22 01:09:01:04 Nós conseguimos mais.
Tá certo?
01:09:01:06 01:09:04:18 Então na parte da tarde
nós teremos mais desta obra.
01:09:04:19 01:09:07:08 Mas como nós temos
muitos terapeutas aqui,
01:09:07:15 01:09:11:07 eu gostaria de indicar
dois livros, também,
01:09:11:14 01:09:15:06 da seção de Constelação Familiar
porque foram muito úteis
01:09:15:13 01:09:17:17 e acreditamos que possam ser
pra vocês também.
01:09:17:18 01:09:19:18 Um se chama
"Ordens da Ajuda",
01:09:19:18 01:09:24:00 que nos ajuda a pensar
e a refletir as questões
01:09:24:06 01:09:26:06 implicadas no processo
da ajuda
01:09:26:12 01:09:29:08 para terapeutas
e atendentes fraternos.
01:09:29:09 01:09:31:14 E o outro é "Histórias de Amor",
01:09:31:14 01:09:36:14 que traz questões importantes
relativas ao tema, está certo?
01:09:46:12 01:09:48:04 I'll pass the question...
01:09:54:10 01:09:58:10 Men... they're always
afraid to start.
01:09:59:21 01:10:02:00 So here the question
is about
01:10:02:04 01:10:05:14 what it means to deserve
to have an excellent life.
01:10:07:05 01:10:13:04 For every work
I have to shepherd,
01:10:13:05 01:10:16:15 I believe you call it
fraternal assistance, right?
01:10:16:16 01:10:21:00 With people
who look for us
01:10:21:01 01:10:24:14 because of some
family conflict
01:10:24:19 01:10:28:10 among couples,
01:10:28:11 01:10:31:06 or parents
towards children,
01:10:31:07 01:10:33:06 children
towards parents,
01:10:33:07 01:10:37:21 I have an opinion
that this issue of family
01:10:37:22 01:10:40:03 has nothing to do
with merit,
01:10:40:06 01:10:43:22 it's not about deserving,
01:10:44:06 01:10:47:07 but it's a divine choice
01:10:48:07 01:10:51:17 to that which we need,
01:10:51:19 01:10:54:01 because family is a school,
01:10:54:09 01:10:56:19 so there lies
01:10:56:20 01:11:01:09 the great responsibility
of people
01:11:01:10 01:11:03:22 in relation
to their own family.
01:11:04:05 01:11:08:13 We have fathers,
mothers, brothers
01:11:08:14 01:11:11:20 who were given to us
01:11:12:01 01:11:17:01 because they have
the mission of helping us
01:11:17:01 01:11:21:08 to be better
human beings,
01:11:21:12 01:11:25:05 so more than a reward
01:11:25:06 01:11:29:10 or a punishment
as far as merit goes,
01:11:29:16 01:11:32:12 to me, it's more...
01:11:32:19 01:11:36:09 They're people
with a mission to help me
01:11:36:10 01:11:38:19 to be a better human being,
01:11:38:22 01:11:42:05 whether because
they educate me
01:11:42:06 01:11:46:08 in the light of the Gospel
01:11:46:14 01:11:51:09 or because,
despite all the conflicts,
01:11:51:16 01:11:54:18 when the family
is not well-structured
01:11:55:01 01:11:58:02 and parents
don't fulfill their duty...
01:11:59:08 01:12:02:20 But the person,
the child of such a family
01:12:03:03 01:12:09:14 must learn
from that suffering
01:12:09:18 01:12:11:10 he had in the family
01:12:11:13 01:12:13:13 to be a better human being.
01:12:13:19 01:12:16:20 Father Caetano,
founder of our community,
01:12:16:21 01:12:21:14 adopted in total,
throughout his life, 54 children,
01:12:21:16 01:12:27:08 to whom he became a father,
giving them his last name,
01:12:27:14 01:12:30:13 with all due responsibility
before the law.
01:12:30:18 01:12:34:17 Some of these children came
from a family environment
01:12:35:13 01:12:40:15 from which they were taken away
by the State,
01:12:40:21 01:12:45:19 because family was something
that harmed them
01:12:45:20 01:12:48:21 in a way that we can't
even imagine,
01:12:48:22 01:12:51:18 but these people said:
01:12:52:02 01:12:54:18 "I want to start a family
01:12:54:19 01:12:59:16 that is totally different
from the one I had.
01:12:59:17 01:13:02:05 I want to be
to my kids
01:13:02:06 01:13:06:02 that which my parents
couldn't be for me,
01:13:06:03 01:13:09:05 because..."
At the time, it was alcohol,
01:13:10:03 01:13:13:04 alcoholism
that caused great harm.
01:13:13:06 01:13:15:11 Today we have
other elements.
01:13:15:12 01:13:19:09 But it means that,
even when mistakes were made,
01:13:19:17 01:13:23:02 the family became a reason
01:13:23:08 01:13:28:16 for these people to draw
something good and have a...
01:13:29:05 01:13:31:17 And want a different
experience.
01:13:32:00 01:13:37:15 Because they found someone
that helped them to draw this,
01:13:37:16 01:13:39:13 Father Caetano, in that case.
01:13:39:14 01:13:46:09 So family must be that
which helps me to improve,
01:13:46:16 01:13:51:08 to overcome my selfishness,
my self-centeredness,
01:13:51:09 01:13:54:00 which gives me limits...
01:13:54:07 01:13:58:04 The best family to me
is the one I was given,
01:13:58:05 01:14:02:04 and obviously there's
the free-will of my parents,
01:14:02:05 01:14:04:09 who could have done
the opposite,
01:14:04:10 01:14:09:18 but even so
God puts people
01:14:10:00 01:14:14:08 who play the parts
of father and mother,
01:14:14:09 01:14:17:00 sometimes even
people who are...
01:14:17:01 01:14:21:01 It's a neighbor, a teacher,
someone God gives us,
01:14:21:02 01:14:25:04 but sometimes
the person cannot realize
01:14:25:05 01:14:28:13 that God has given her
a good dad, a good mother,
01:14:28:14 01:14:33:22 not the biological mother, but one
we found throughout our life.
01:14:33:23 01:14:39:14 So family is not so much
about deserving,
01:14:39:21 01:14:44:01 deserving some difficulty
or deserving...
01:14:44:09 01:14:49:11 But it should be a school
that educates us, right?
01:14:49:17 01:14:53:23 And sometimes we're the ones
who have to be, to our parents,
01:14:54:06 01:14:57:01 not sons and daughters,
but parents.
01:14:57:08 01:14:59:01 How many people
01:14:59:02 01:15:03:09 take on all responsibility
for the brothers, instead of the dad,
01:15:03:11 01:15:05:10 and play the role of fathers,
01:15:05:11 01:15:09:07 support the house
and even advise the father...
01:15:09:18 01:15:15:08 That's why Jesus himself
wanted to be part of a family,
01:15:15:09 01:15:17:22 with all the conflicts,
01:15:17:23 01:15:21:20 with all the beauty
the family is,
01:15:21:21 01:15:23:20 but it's my point of view,
01:15:23:21 01:15:27:07 as Paul said,
it's not a revelation, it's advice.
01:15:27:08 01:15:30:11 So that's my point of view.
01:15:30:12 01:15:33:08 Family was given to us
to be a school
01:15:33:09 01:15:36:12 where I could learn
to be a better human being,
01:15:36:12 01:15:39:14 even when it fails.
01:15:46:23 01:15:49:12 The question is this:
01:15:49:18 01:15:52:14 "And when you seek
for reconciliation
01:15:52:15 01:15:54:09 but you're rejected?"
01:15:54:12 01:15:58:18 I'll answer with a quote,
a short verse,
01:15:58:19 01:16:01:15 not ignoring the importance
of the question,
01:16:01:16 01:16:04:01 but we have
a recommendation:
01:16:04:02 01:16:07:22 "If it depends upon you,
follow peace with everybody
01:16:07:23 01:16:11:16 and the sanctification
without which no one will see God."
01:16:11:17 01:16:13:17 That is, if it's up you.
01:16:13:23 01:16:15:23 If it's not up to you,
01:16:16:00 01:16:18:20 the only thing
you can do is pray,
01:16:19:01 01:16:23:07 and ask God to awaken
sensibility in the other person.
01:16:31:17 01:16:33:03 Even because...
01:16:35:09 01:16:41:15 virtue doesn't mean
you'll have control over things.
01:16:43:06 01:16:47:05 The fact that you can forgive
doesn't give you power,
01:16:49:13 01:16:51:03 doesn't give you power.
01:16:51:04 01:16:54:06 You asked for reconciliation
and were rejected,
01:16:55:02 01:16:57:02 you did your share.
01:16:59:05 01:17:04:00 Because forgiveness is a gift
we give ourselves,
01:17:04:01 01:17:05:18 and not the other person.
01:17:19:12 01:17:23:12 He was nailed to the cross,
He bore all that...
01:17:25:13 01:17:30:11 And we need to incorporate
this sense of surrender...
01:17:30:18 01:17:34:17 Because you won't tell me
Jesus deserved the cross.
01:17:36:10 01:17:39:20 My God, life is not just
"I deserve",
01:17:40:04 01:17:42:02 this is not accounting,
01:17:42:09 01:17:46:08 the universe is not run
by a banker.
01:17:48:14 01:17:51:21 The universe is run
by a heart,
01:17:51:22 01:17:55:14 endowed with supreme
intelligence.
01:17:55:21 01:18:00:09 So there are things
that, at the moment,
01:18:00:10 01:18:04:01 you say: "The family I have
today is not adequate."
01:18:04:02 01:18:05:10 It's not today.
01:18:06:08 01:18:09:07 Do you want your story
to be unveiled here?
01:18:10:15 01:18:12:17 Are you willing
to unfold it?
01:18:12:18 01:18:15:20 Do you want them to bring
the court files?
01:18:16:04 01:18:20:02 From your last
40 incarnations,
01:18:20:08 01:18:22:21 do you really
wanna know that story?
01:18:23:07 01:18:25:11 Do you really
wanna know?
01:18:27:18 01:18:31:15 Right?
So the ideal is:
01:18:31:21 01:18:35:21 to concentrate
on the educational element
01:18:35:21 01:18:38:22 of the circumstances
of life.
01:18:39:15 01:18:42:17 Not on why,
not on the reasons.
01:18:43:23 01:18:48:12 Because God doesn't always
reveal the reasons,
01:18:49:02 01:18:55:14 but surely He always reveals
the educational element.
01:18:55:19 01:18:59:03 "My father is an alcoholic,
he abused me sexually."
01:18:59:04 01:19:02:05 What is the educational element
of that experience?
01:19:02:06 01:19:06:06 AMEMG here has professionals
that deal exclusively with that
01:19:07:15 01:19:12:07 and there are thousands of people
who go through that experience
01:19:12:08 01:19:17:10 and they're alive,
they're carrying on with their lives,
01:19:18:00 01:19:20:16 some of them better
than we are.
01:19:24:12 01:19:27:18 So it's for real.
01:19:27:20 01:19:30:13 Why?
It has to do with the question:
01:19:30:14 01:19:36:02 "Why did Jesus take Lazarus out of
the tomb if he was decomposing?"
01:19:36:03 01:19:41:10 First thing: I wouldn't like
to enter an explanation,
01:19:41:11 01:19:44:02 a physical interpretation
of the Gospel.
01:19:45:09 01:19:50:18 So to me,
it doesn't interest me
01:19:50:23 01:19:55:04 to make an assessment
of his organic state,
01:19:55:05 01:19:59:10 to give a forensic report
of Lazarus' case,
01:19:59:15 01:20:02:10 we don't have
elements to do so.
01:20:02:11 01:20:06:22 Anyone who ventures that
will just be guessing,
01:20:06:22 01:20:09:06 because there are
no elements.
01:20:09:07 01:20:11:11 Now, one thing I know,
01:20:11:23 01:20:14:19 the Evangelists, when they wrote,
01:20:15:03 01:20:21:21 they used literary,
symbolic resources
01:20:22:03 01:20:28:14 to convey a message,
and the message is:
01:20:29:23 01:20:35:23 Lazarus is a symbol of the humanity
that Jesus embraced.
01:20:37:16 01:20:41:08 And humanity
is decomposing.
01:20:43:13 01:20:44:17 It is dead.
01:20:46:15 01:20:52:20 Dead in the sense of the life
that they could have.
01:20:55:23 01:21:00:11 How many millions of dollars
is Hamas spending
01:21:00:12 01:21:03:01 to send bombs
to Israel?
01:21:03:02 01:21:05:08 How many millions
is Israel spending
01:21:05:16 01:21:09:08 to intercept missiles
and send bombs to Palestine?
01:21:11:20 01:21:14:23 How many lives,
01:21:15:05 01:21:17:14 how much
does the health system spend
01:21:17:15 01:21:19:18 to treat the drug user?
01:21:23:09 01:21:27:13 How much do we spend,
including judicial costs,
01:21:27:14 01:21:32:09 to contain violence
against women?
01:21:34:23 01:21:37:03 An extremely high cost.
01:21:37:04 01:21:40:09 Several jurisdictional units,
judges, employees
01:21:40:10 01:21:44:10 in order to contain the element
"violence in the home".
01:21:44:19 01:21:49:07 The woman marries the guy
to be loved, to get affection,
01:21:49:08 01:21:51:21 and instead she starts
to get beaten.
01:21:55:02 01:21:57:10 So what humanity is this?
01:21:57:11 01:22:00:11 What humanity is this
that wounds the earth,
01:22:00:12 01:22:02:19 that doesn't respect
its cycle,
01:22:02:21 01:22:05:08 the earth's need
for rest,
01:22:05:15 01:22:09:14 just to accumulate dollars
in a bank in Switzerland.
01:22:10:20 01:22:13:21 There'll come a day
we'll have so much money,
01:22:13:22 01:22:15:08 but no water.
01:22:16:01 01:22:20:20 Then we'll drink money.
We'll drink euros.
01:22:25:14 01:22:27:20 So what humanity
is that?
01:22:28:04 01:22:31:13 It's a humanity
that is decomposing.
01:22:31:19 01:22:33:11 It is dead.
01:22:34:20 01:22:38:13 It's a humanity
that needs to be resuscitated.
01:22:39:03 01:22:42:05 It needs to be brought
back to life,
01:22:42:19 01:22:45:09 but it won't be brought back
01:22:45:10 01:22:49:07 while it doesn't
experience death.
01:22:50:16 01:22:52:22 Because the problem
of the world,
01:22:53:12 01:22:56:20 "the problem of the world",
said Jesus,
01:22:57:03 01:22:59:16 "is the hardness
of our hearts."
01:23:01:01 01:23:04:04 Hardness of our hearts.
01:23:06:23 01:23:09:20 The day they soften,
01:23:10:15 01:23:14:10 we won't need
those processes of war,
01:23:14:14 01:23:17:14 of scarcity,
of misery, of poverty,
01:23:17:14 01:23:21:20 of violence, of drugs.
Nothing of the sort.
01:23:24:05 01:23:26:07 So I think that,
01:23:26:08 01:23:29:00 when we approach
the Gospel
01:23:29:01 01:23:31:04 for an interpretation,
01:23:31:05 01:23:34:07 it has to go beyond
the written word.
01:23:37:03 01:23:41:04 And see in the decomposition
of Lazarus
01:23:41:04 01:23:43:17 a great symbol,
01:23:43:18 01:23:46:07 a great symbol.
01:23:46:10 01:23:48:03 And I'll tell you...
01:23:48:09 01:23:51:11 Sis here knows it,
she knows it:
01:23:54:13 01:24:00:04 if we had allowed
the Gospel to be implemented,
01:24:02:11 01:24:06:23 we'd already have 2.000 years
of the Gospel on Earth.
01:24:08:10 01:24:11:12 This world would be an Eden,
01:24:13:11 01:24:16:06 but we didn't allow it,
01:24:17:23 01:24:19:15 we didn't allow it,
01:24:21:15 01:24:26:10 and for 2.000 years we've been
suffering and Jesus has been crying.
01:24:29:05 01:24:31:12 Crying for what reason?
01:24:31:18 01:24:33:02 Because he knows
01:24:33:03 01:24:37:04 that the human experience
is guided by emotion.
01:24:37:10 01:24:41:09 If you need an emotion,
God allows it.
01:24:41:20 01:24:47:13 The problem is that our heart
is full of morbid desires.
01:24:51:05 01:24:56:07 Our heart is full of wishes
for blood, violence,
01:24:56:12 01:25:00:11 omnipotence, wounding,
crying, suffering,
01:25:00:18 01:25:03:07 getting depressed,
getting sad.
01:25:03:14 01:25:08:15 And God is a waterfall of love,
joy, hope, blessings...
01:25:08:23 01:25:13:17 What to do?
What to do?
01:25:15:15 01:25:18:08 While this cup
is not empty...
01:25:18:09 01:25:19:15 Right?
01:25:20:04 01:25:23:19 There's nothing
we can do but cry.
01:25:23:20 01:25:26:15 Jesus cannot hurt
the laws of life,
01:25:26:16 01:25:28:22 violate free-will.
01:25:29:04 01:25:31:22 He just can't get here
and go:
01:25:31:23 01:25:35:07 "It'll be like this,
you'll all lower your heads."
01:25:36:09 01:25:38:09 He cries
and He stays there,
01:25:38:15 01:25:42:20 a heart at a time,
He rescues one by one...
01:25:43:03 01:25:45:10 Individually
rescuing people
01:25:45:17 01:25:48:09 when they could be
rescued collectively.
01:25:51:01 01:25:54:20 Jesus' proposal was to rescue
humanity in only one act,
01:25:55:06 01:25:58:08 reconcile all men in love.
01:25:58:23 01:26:02:12 But unfortunately
He's having to reconcile one by one.
01:26:03:00 01:26:06:18 So let's go. But there's no need
to be desperate.
01:26:06:19 01:26:08:19 We have all eternity.
01:26:11:01 01:26:12:17 There are other questions,
01:26:12:23 01:26:16:02 but I think we've run
out of time, right?
01:26:16:03 01:26:21:10 And we can't stay longer.
01:26:21:10 01:26:23:14 But here we have
the e-mails
01:26:23:15 01:26:26:17 and I'll pass them along
to my brother and sis.
01:26:26:18 01:26:30:03 And there are some
who ask
01:26:30:04 01:26:33:13 about the relationship
we have here.
01:26:33:20 01:26:35:23 How I can sustain
in the Spiritist Movement
01:26:36:00 01:26:38:15 my friendship with Aíla,
with Enéas,
01:26:38:23 01:26:41:19 how he sustains
in the Protestant circles
01:26:41:20 01:26:43:23 the relationship
he has with us,
01:26:44:06 01:26:47:15 how Aíla sustains
in the Catholic Church
01:26:47:23 01:26:50:18 the relationship with me
and Enéas?
01:26:50:19 01:26:55:14 We sustain it like this:
nobody is stronger than love.
01:27:06:04 01:27:07:14 That's it.
01:27:07:15 01:27:11:02 Love is stronger than death.
01:27:11:07 01:27:16:01 It's in the Song of Songs,
nothing can destroy love.
01:27:16:08 01:27:21:10 What we have here
is not good manners,
01:27:21:17 01:27:25:23 intellectual people
who do not get offended,
01:27:26:05 01:27:30:11 because intelligent people
don't do that.
01:27:30:17 01:27:33:20 What happens here
is that we are friends.
01:27:34:02 01:27:35:18 True friends.
01:27:35:19 01:27:38:07 We're like siblings,
the three of us.
01:27:38:08 01:27:41:15 And it could happen
to much more people
01:27:41:16 01:27:46:18 if people knew
how good this is,
01:27:47:01 01:27:49:07 how much
it makes us happy,
01:27:49:14 01:27:52:08 how much
in synchrony we are.
01:27:52:09 01:27:57:11 Enéas was having troubles,
I didn't know,
01:27:57:18 01:28:00:19 but I felt I should pray
for Enéas.
01:28:00:20 01:28:02:20 Then I heard
of his troubles.
01:28:03:02 01:28:08:10 Haroldo, I called him
to say this thing
01:28:08:18 01:28:10:18 that must have hurt,
poor man...
01:28:10:23 01:28:14:01 But I called him...
01:28:14:02 01:28:16:08 I felt I had to call.
01:28:16:08 01:28:20:12 He was in a conference
and I said: "Why should I call?"
01:28:20:13 01:28:23:02 We don't have
attachment issues.
01:28:23:03 01:28:25:23 Many days might go by
when we don't talk.
01:28:26:00 01:28:31:11 And when we're reunited,
we pick up from where we left off
01:28:31:12 01:28:34:15 as if nothing
had happened in between.
01:28:34:23 01:28:36:14 So I said:
01:28:36:15 01:28:40:10 "I have to respect Haroldo.
He's in a conference."
01:28:40:13 01:28:42:19 But that urge to call.
01:28:42:20 01:28:45:19 I phoned him
right when he needed.
01:28:45:20 01:28:50:23 And the word came and was said
and I didn't think rationally.
01:28:51:23 01:28:53:23 So he needed to hear.
01:28:54:08 01:28:57:23 Once he began...
from the USA!
01:28:58:06 01:29:02:19 I was home in a crisis
about my mission.
01:29:03:02 01:29:06:10 I was so frightened
of the lecture about Japan,
01:29:06:11 01:29:08:00 I wanted to give up...
01:29:08:01 01:29:11:04 Haroldo was having fun
in the USA.
01:29:11:05 01:29:15:10 Because he gave lectures
and later he rested, he went out.
01:29:15:11 01:29:18:20 And he began to talk
of the joys of the trip.
01:29:19:03 01:29:20:19 Only sending out messages.
01:29:20:20 01:29:22:23 And I got so involved
01:29:23:00 01:29:26:05 with his messages
telling of the trip
01:29:26:05 01:29:29:19 that I forgot I was in a crisis,
then I went to sleep.
01:29:29:20 01:29:34:19 So we have a strong bond
01:29:34:20 01:29:37:19 and sometimes
we don't know
01:29:37:20 01:29:41:08 that we help each other,
we exhort each other.
01:29:41:09 01:29:44:11 We don't know
we are exhorting, supporting.
01:29:44:11 01:29:47:20 But it's because,
in friendship, he who loves
01:29:48:03 01:29:50:23 wants to see the person
in the right path.
01:29:51:06 01:29:55:10 We scold one another...
01:29:55:10 01:30:01:15 And we have this love
that allows for this type of thing.
01:30:01:21 01:30:05:12 We are here to help each other
to be better.
01:30:05:13 01:30:07:19 This friendship
is a gift from God
01:30:07:20 01:30:12:07 so that each one of the three
can improve as a human being,
01:30:12:08 01:30:13:23 be a better human being.
01:30:14:08 01:30:15:17 And since love
01:30:15:23 01:30:20:18 cannot be put
in a very restricted environment,
01:30:21:02 01:30:22:18 this love
exploded like that
01:30:24:18 01:30:26:22 and we ended up together
01:30:26:23 01:30:29:12 to testify. Only that.
01:30:29:13 01:30:33:05 This talk of ours
is to show the world that it exists.
01:30:33:11 01:30:37:10 It's unquestionable
what we feel for each other.
01:30:37:17 01:30:40:19 People notice
when they hear us, or see us,
01:30:41:02 01:30:43:14 see the mess we make here.
01:30:43:20 01:30:46:17 It's something
the world has to face.
01:30:46:23 01:30:50:15 A world where brother kills brother
must face...
01:30:50:16 01:30:53:10 That we are so different
01:30:53:11 01:30:58:06 and this is only possible
when we let God act.
01:30:58:13 01:31:02:08 And that's what we want to show
with our friendship,
01:31:02:11 01:31:05:07 not what we know
intelectually.
01:31:05:13 01:31:07:13 It's an appeal.
01:31:07:20 01:31:09:05 That people notice
01:31:09:06 01:31:11:19 that when we let God act
01:31:11:23 01:31:13:04 in our life,
01:31:13:05 01:31:15:23 we overcome
all those barriers.
01:31:16:00 01:31:19:16 No one even remembers
those barriers,
01:31:19:23 01:31:23:14 which are the religious
or cultural barriers...
01:31:23:20 01:31:28:10 It is possible! We just have
to let love flow naturally.
01:31:28:15 01:31:30:02 It's a work of love.
01:31:39:23 01:31:41:20 I'll answer with a sentence.
01:31:41:21 01:31:44:00 Not because I'm lazy.
01:31:44:01 01:31:47:10 It's because I talk too much
when I talk, ok?
01:31:47:12 01:31:53:11 There's an author called Tim Keller,
a North-American priest,
01:31:53:12 01:31:55:16 we even have
one of his books.
01:31:55:17 01:31:58:18 He has a sentence
that sums it up well:
01:31:58:19 01:32:04:23 “Intolerance doesn't mean
having different beliefs.
01:32:06:06 01:32:11:23 Intolerance is
the way your beliefs
01:32:12:07 01:32:15:00 lead you to treat
other people."
01:32:15:03 01:32:17:09 The divergences
among us,
01:32:17:13 01:32:19:18 the fact that we think
differently
01:32:19:20 01:32:22:10 doesn't mean intolerance.
01:32:22:11 01:32:26:09 Intolerance is when I use
my belief, my creed,
01:32:26:16 01:32:29:18 to mistreat those
who think differently of me.
01:32:29:23 01:32:33:23 This week I received
a spiritist friend at the store,
01:32:34:06 01:32:36:12 who went there
to invite me
01:32:36:19 01:32:40:17 to go with him to a prison,
to a jail,
01:32:40:18 01:32:42:22 to speak by his side,
01:32:42:23 01:32:48:01 because he was being
victim of intolerance
01:32:48:02 01:32:50:05 of protestants
in the jail,
01:32:50:05 01:32:52:18 who, when they evangelized
prisoners,
01:32:52:19 01:32:56:04 insinuated that they
shouldn't pay attention
01:32:56:05 01:32:59:08 to the spiritist groups
who go there too.
01:32:59:14 01:33:02:10 I said: "I'll be very glad to go."
01:33:02:16 01:33:07:18 Because I think
that's symptomatic.
01:33:07:20 01:33:10:13 It says a lot
about the person's creed.
01:33:10:14 01:33:13:02 It says nothing of Jesus,
of the Gospel.
01:33:13:03 01:33:19:07 It shows how the person
manipulates the Gospel.
01:33:19:07 01:33:22:03 So it's important
to emphasize that.
01:33:22:10 01:33:28:20 In evangelic circles, it is common
for people to question that, yes.
01:33:28:21 01:33:31:22 Haroldo hears that
in his circles, Aíla...
01:33:31:23 01:33:36:05 That's common, yes.
But regardless of religious belief,
01:33:36:06 01:33:40:04 we must learn
to love people.
01:33:40:17 01:33:42:23 And that goes
for everybody.
01:33:43:00 01:33:45:04 Learn to respect people.
01:33:45:05 01:33:48:02 Regardless of whether
they believe in God...
01:33:48:03 01:33:51:10 I have good atheist friends,
you should know that.
01:33:58:18 01:34:02:05 We'd like to thank
Father Enéas,
01:34:02:06 01:34:05:00 Sister Aíla,
and dear Haroldo.